Olé sus huevos!!!.... En ocasiones me pregunto qué tenemos que aprender de la
supuesta europa avanzada.

Respecto a lo de la reintroducción del lobo en U.S.A., que tomen nota los de de
aquí, aunque me parece que éstos no deben ver un palmo más allá de sus narices,
no tengo demasiadas esperanzas, es algo que supera el cociente intelectual de
nuestras autoridades. Si no, sólo hay que ver la situación del lobo en Andalucía
tal y como se ha descrito (y dicho sea de paso del lince ibérico). En fin muy
triste.

Aullidos
----- Original Message -----
From: echegarayjorgewanadoo.es
To: lobo_iberico@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: [lobo_iberico] Exterminio del 25% de los lobos de Noruega


Hola a todos
En Noruega, primer mundo, Europa avanzada, donde presumen de conservacionismo,
apasionados birdwatchers, envidia de Europa por algunos de sus aspectos
ecologicos y conservacionistas, etc.),
con una población de 20 lobos (tras excluir los que viven en la frontera con
Suecia),
se proponen matar 5!
Y hablamos del total de la poblacion. No de la poblacion efectiva, la que se
reproduce, que es mucho menor, que serian 6.


Esto se llama gestion de la naturaleza en base a criterios tecnicos y
biologicos.


El gobierno noruego quiere que sólo queden 3 GRUPOS!!
Recuerdo a los foreros que la poblacion escandinava de lobos esta
aparentemente aislada, genetica y biologicamente, de la vecina ruso-finesa por
unos 700-1.000 km.
Por tanto, una decision como tal escapa de criterios racionales desde
cualquier perspectiva que uno quiera enfocarlo (genetica, biologica, logica,
etc.)


Media Europa protestó cuando se autorizó la última matanza.
El efecto de las protestas fue nulo.
Como siempre, feliz ano a los foreros desde Escandinavia y sentimos dar este
tipo de noticias, pero es lo que hay..
Como en Espana.
Lo bueno, al contrario que en muchas partes de la piel de Toro, y que se me
entienda bien, es que dicen claramente lo que quieren hacer (exterminio) y la
poblacion lo sabe si quiere enterarse. En muchas zonas, como la que a mi me toca
mas de cerca (la vasca), te hacen la misma politica de exterminio disfrazada,
bajo normas de control, etc. con el consentimiento de muchos....
Un saludo




Jorge Echegaray
echegaray@...
echegarayjorge@...
Grupo Lobo de Euskadi-Euskadiko Otso Taldea
Apdo 899. CP 01080
Vitoria-Gasteiz (Alava)
grupo@...
www.loboeuskadi.org




Os mando la noticia adjunta abajo, remitida por Carles Vila, experto en lobos
y en genetico de la conservacion, del Dpto. Biologia Evolucional de la
Universidad de Uppsala (Suecia)


Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:51 PM
Subject: ANOTHER WOLF SLAUGHTER IN NORWAY




Årnes - Oslo - Røyse, Norway 9. January 2005




The Norwegian Carnivore & Raptor Society press release - please forward




ANOTHER WOLF SLAUGHTER IN NORWAY


**************************


The Norwegian Carnivore and Raptor Society strongly opposes the
Norwegiandecision 6. January 2005 to cull 5 wolves in Hedmark county.
The world wide
much-publicised 2001 helicopter culling of 8 wolves
during a state action is fresh in memory:


<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1265249.stm>

<http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/scandinavia/02/05/norway.wolves/index
.html>


Thus, it is sad that our own Minister of the Environment would become
thefirst in the world to open for regular hunting of an endangered
species.Although not surprising taken into account the seemingly
endless internationally disputed list of macabre shows of animal
antagonsimput on by our authorities:


<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/161392.stm>
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1639801.stm>
<http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article879671.ece>
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2988322.stm>
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2815927.stm>


The Norwegian population of wolves totals approx. 20 individuals. We
demandthe decision to be reversed based on the miniscule population
level, the
extremely low genetical differences, negligible loss of
sheep and our national and international obligations to restore and
maintain a viable population. The decision is a disgrace and further
deteriorates the Norwegian reputation in environmental matters.


**************************


Following the internationally condemned cullling of 8 out the 25 wolves
in2001, Norway is ready for yet another action of wolf eradication.
This time
reportedly not by means of hired helicopters and state
employees, but through regular private hunting groups locally in order
toshift focus away from the authorities.


The Norwegian wolf population totals 20 individuals (excluding some
sharedNorwegian-Swedish individuals along the border) and the species
is listed
as endangered, i.e. high risk of extermination. Through the recent
decisionby the Directorate for Nature Management a staggering
five individuals of the 20 will be hunted down in the coming weeks.
Againwithout consulting with our neighbouring country Sweden which
strangelyenough is always territorially included by Norwegian
authorities when it comes to defining the size of the Norwegian wolf
population (approx 100 in Norway and Sweden together).


It is a disgrace that Norway is incapable of protecting its wolf
population. On the contrary - no efforts are spared to squeeze the tiny
population through limitating measures such as culling. Still, the
government insists that the wolf is not a hunted species!


This is not a flattering picture of a nation which actually initiated
theBern Convention - the international agreement on wildlife and habitat
conservation. The agreement was specifically intended to commit
each signing parties to keep the populations of naturally ocurring
speciesout of danger. The same agreement is largely pulverized as a
conservationtool due to relentless and successful Norwegian efforts to
break the
principle of national responsibility and so free itself from the burden
ofa viable population of wolves. The credibility in environmental
matters has
reached a depressing level.


In fact, the whole Scandinavian wolf population, numbering approx. 100,
ishighly inbred due to the constant shooting of new wolves arriving from
Finland and Russia. Thus, the population is now extremely
vulnerable.


Added regular poaching to the legal pressure and reduced genetic
diversityand you have the bleak prospects of the Scandinavian wolf
population. It is
quite extraordinary that this miniscule population
has managed to survive to this day despite the ever-mounting threats to
their lives.


The losses of livestock that triggered this event are negligible (47
sheepin southern hunting area, less in the northern, and the total
confirmednational loss due to wolf in 2004 was 544 sheep) as is the
potential damage. The really major losses are caused by the practising
ofsheep farming. Two million sheep are left to fend for themselves in
thewilderness for several months each year, resulting in losses of
100.000sheep caused by everything else other than predators, i.e. 1.100
sheep each
day during grazing season. In short, a gigantic animal cruelty problem
officially considered by the authorities as acceptable. As opposed to
theunacceptable loss of 544 sheep ñ or even 47.


The wolf population goal in Norway was decided by the Parliament in
summer2004: <http://www.fvr.no/informasjon/carnigoal.html>.
It is an astoundingly low goal of 3 annual breedings inside a tiny area
close to the Swedish border:
<http://www.fvr.no/informasjon/2004forlik.html>.
For all practical purposes it is a goal of extermination. Over the years
the politically based management area has steadily been reduced:
<http://www.fvr.no/informasjon/ulvesone2004lg_usemap.html>.
It has been nothing else than a long term stepwise effort to rid the
country of wolves altogether. It is the result of poor and primitive
attitudes towards our natural environment. And what is more - the
population goal inside the management area has not even been reached
yet!
The decision to hunt down one fourth of the wolf population in Norway is
truly yet another shock to the international environmental community.


We should be able to bring updates on our homepage:
<http://www.fvr.no>.
And there is always a chance that this paper brings news in english on
thematter: <http://www.aftenposten.no/english>


Listed below are the institutions responsible for this unfortunate
decisionshould you wish to make further enqueries or even state your
opinion.
-------------


Miljøvernministeren / Minister of the Environment Mr. Knut Arild
Hareide:<miljovernministeren@...>
<http://odin.dep.no/md/engelsk/dep/statsraad_a/>


Miljøverndepartementet / Ministry of the Environment:
<postmottak@...>
<http://odin.dep.no/md/engelsk/bn.html>


Direktoratet for naturforvaltning / Directorate for Nature Management:
<postmottak@...>
<http://english.dirnat.no/>


Stortingets energi- og miljøkomité / The Parliament Standing Committee
onEnergy and the Environment:
<energi-miljo.postmottak@...>
<http://www.stortinget.no/english/Committeemembers.html#emk>


Komiteens medlemmer / The single members of the Parliament Standing
Committee on Energy and the Environment:


"Bror Yngve Rahm" <bror-yngve.rahm@...> - Chairman - Political
party: KrF
"Hallgeir H. Langeland," <hallgeir.langeland@...> - Political
party: SV
"Øyvind Vaksdal" <oyvind.vaksdal@...> - Political party: FrP
"Sylvia Brustad" <sylvia.brustad@...> - Political party: A
"Inger S. Enger" <inger.enger@...> - Political party: Sp
"Øyvind Halleraker" <oyvind.halleraker@...> - Political
party: H
" Rolf Terje Klungland" <rolf-terje.klungland@...> - Political
party: A
"Synnøve Konglevoll" <synnove.konglevoll@...> - Political
party: A
"Øyvind Korsberg" <oyvind.korsberg@...> - Political party: FrP
"Ingmar Ljones" <ingmar.ljones@...> - Political party: KrF
"Ingvild Vaggen Malvik" <ingvild.malvik@...> - Political
party: SV
"Siri A. Meling" <siri.meling@...> - Political party: H
"Leif Frode Onarheim" <leif-frode.onarheim@...> - Political
party:
H


---------------------


Yours sincerely


The Norwegian Carnivore and Raptor Society
P. O. Box 195, N-2150 ÅRNES, Norway
<http://www.fvr.no/>
E-mail: <fvr@...>
Telephone: +47-22232389




Signed:


Yngve Kvebaek
director
E-mail: <yk@...>
Telephone: +47-22232389 / +47-91544191


Viggo Ree
information officer
E-mail: <vr@...>
Telephone: +47-32157715


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